I bought this absolutly amazing horse. Everything I ask him to do he does. He follows me around like a love sick puppy! It's adorable! I love him soooo much. We have no idea what he did in the first 9 years of his life, but he must have done alot. He doesn't seem to understand some of the most basic things but is expertly trained in master things. He can do anything you ask, only sometimes you have to show him how. He really is the best horse you can get and he was relatively cheap, although once I met and fell in love with him, price was not a problem. The only problem I'm having is the last time I trained a horse, both of us were learning. And my instructor was telling me what to do. I don't have an instructor any more, but I'm getting one, but she is only for actualy when I'm on the horse. So my basic question is how do I help him? Here's a list of all the things he doesn't understand.
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Sorry, I don't know what to do about the instructor thing... but my horse does exactly the same thing!
He wants to be with me when I try to lunge him, and I can only get him to go to the left! He won't go to the right at all!
He's fine when tied though.
Hmmm... maybe our horses ARE related or something..
(ps, i emailed you, hope you got it!)
Um-I need the list and then I can help!
Talk to your instructor about what you want your horse to be able to do, and find out what he/she recommends. If you've already got the hard stuff down, the basic stuff should (in theory) be a snap for your guy. Good luck!
Some horses just don't tie.
One thing you can do to help him learn to tie is by doing the same thing that is used sometimes to teach foals to tie ----
Use a stall, or a secure location, and put a sturdy eyelet screw into a solid wall/post. Run a lead/lunge through the eyelet - one that is small enough to EASILY slip back through if the horse pulls.
"Tie" the horse, and leave the stall - holding the other end of the line. This give you lots of room to play with teaching him that he has to stay put. Eventually you can build up to single tying him outside, but you should always use some kind of breakable halter or lead, or a quick release lead - just in case he spooks.
As far as your lunging issues -it's quite simple, one of two things, really
1) if the horse is as sweet and easy going as you say he is, he may simply have never been lunged before. And having someone walk him is a good start - using a round pen is even better.
2) or, he's been taught to "join up", incorrectly. I've seen it before with natural horsemanship enthusiasts who are left to do the techniques with no supervision - One of the goals of lunging the horse is get him to focus on you, in natural horsemanship, or "hook on", "join up", what-have-you. however, I have seen many horses that have simply learned that if they square up to you, you'll not make them go because what you really want is for the horse to focus on you. It's a poorly done natural horsemanship technique that produces a stubborn *** that doesn't want to lunge because he just thinks he's supposed to turn into you all the time.
I have had the hardest time getting the horses like this I've known to lunge correctly - one of them I was never able to - but a few of the others, a round pen and a whip really helped- but it takes time.
Good luck, have fun
Ive been training and breaking horses for a good 15 or so years... the list you have given is all about repition, Horses are willing animals but when they dont understand they panic or they struggle to try and appease but cant grasp how... Lounging is one of these things, Ive worked with horses as young as weanlings to horses up to 11 that never lounged.. the key is body language and positive reinforcement...you have to be the herd leader and instruct.. basic routines are simple...
for the first go with a lounge whip let him run it out in the circle then begin giving basic commands "walk and trot" work those before even getting into canter, work for "whoah" as well...
First day should be simple when he runs, step in front and repeat "walk" keep doing it..eventually it will click, tell him good boy and reward him with praise...after he begins walking give the command you want for trot...if he goes to canter again using hand gesture and body language step in front and repeat "trot" make him complete a good 2-3 laps and reward him with praise again "walk" I wouldnt exceed 15 minute sessions..once he does a few laps and shows he listens begin with whoah, allow him to roam step in front with "whoah" give him physical signals a hand to lift, give him a treat and take him from the pen, by doing this it shows "youve done what I want so were done for the day" keep this up for a week walk and trot.whoah... after a week begin giving him the key for canter, and repeat walk trot canter whoah on both leads in any order you wish... remember praise and treats!! eventually with work he will leanr what you ask, have him with a gesture and "come" ap[proach you, when your ready to go in, if he doesnt lounge him again then repeat, when he comes to you halter him take him out..thats his incentive and motivation its all about repitition.
Standing is about impatience, I prefer to teach this to my horses when they are foals, the larger the horse the more problematic..I have a 2yo Draft that just learned to stand... when you tie him, use a old car tire innertube something with give.nail it to a post, tether him to it, if he freaks out and fights, he cant go anywhere but if he does sit back it stretches enough to where he wont hurt himself eventually he will tire out and stand, when he stands for a good 5min reward him with praise and put him in, again repeat this daily until he has it down.. My email is Lntotheabyss@yahoo.com if you have Myspace Im AngelofMercy feel free to Message if you like the advice and if you have further questions... I will be happy to help you in anyway that I can
ok well i dont personaly think you need a trainer people look own on you when you get into the sohw ring with a trainer because i know you can do it by yourself. also tying let the horse learn, tie him up if he freaks thats why you have the slip knot for just incases but dont let him off that easy, if he pulls back hard slap him in the *** with a stick and do it slightly hard so that he realizes that is not what you want of him, if he rears take a long rope and loop it through the halter down is chest and bring it up to his withers and tie it this way he pulls he will feel huge pressure and jump forward. or awhile stay with him dont hold him but stay with him when he pulls and freaks out and then stops pet him and let him know its ok.
for the lungeing , horses dont always need lungeing all it really does is get some energy out of them and each time you ahve to make them run longer, otherwise take a whip and tap it on his back feet or butt but not hard, if he dont move snap it but dont hit him he should with your body language and the cues he should atleast move when he does tell him good boy and try again. its a work in progress good luck and i hope that you choose not have a trainer yo can do it and it will make you happy to train your own horse nad not someone helping you through it.
also for a tying yo can hobble him but i would not siuggest it just giving you all the areas and what you can do oh and try feeding him at the post that way he is not wanting to move around
i was just wondering if he has a habit of getting close to you on the ground? if so he just needs to learn some respect and you need to learn that hes playing the game of getting you to move your feet- not the game of you getting him to move his.
some general ground work would fix this. you need to learn how to move his fore and hind quarters separately and then learn how to move him away from you. if you need somee more help i'd like to help. just email me. regards, Belinda
Hes never had ground work before.Get down to busness you need to show him what is exspected since he doesnt no.And just take your time dont lose your cool.
Tie him in cross ties.
Lounge him in a round pen with a lounging whip.
Teach him voice commands.
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